Talk:List of the first openly LGBT holders of political offices

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Updated Georgina Beyer

Changed the item from transgender to transsexual - there is a minor difference, but that is how she refers to herself.

Cheers! Lauren♫/∆ 05:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

UK: Michael Portillo & Mark Oaten

I'm not sure either should be on the list. To my knowledge neither has publicly said "I am gay/bisexual", they've only admitted to experiences. And neither's own page is in any LGBT categories. Applying labels neither seems to be using doesn't feel right. Timrollpickering 00:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Labels on Living Persons

If a source is not listed soon for the living individuals on this list, they will need to be removed so as to avoid possible civil action. Dethlock99 (talk) 18:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Germany

While both Klaus Wowereit and Ole von Beust are mayors of their cities, their positions makes them at the same time the governor of their states (which consists only of the respective cities). Maybe this should be included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Collie (talk • contribs) 23:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The two politicians approached the issue very differently. Wowereit ran as an openly gay man (one of his campaign slogans was “I’m gay — and it’s good that I am”), while Beust portrayed himself as a “lifelong bachelor” while campaigning and adamantly refused to discuss his sexual orientation one way or the other while in office, even after coalition member Ronald Schill allegedly tried to blackmail Beust over being gay and later, after Beust would not be blackmailed and fired Schill, attempted to out the mayor. Consequently Wowereit is considered an important trailblazer for LGBTQ people in Germany, while Beust is not (to any significant degree.) This should probably be reflected in the article somehow. —ThorstenNY (talk) 16:54, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

High Court Judges

Is it a political position. It's included for other countries apart from UK. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-10810.html Adrian Fulford is the first if we include it. Hrcolyer (talk) 17:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Adrian Fulford, Judge: The first out gay to be named a judge in Britain, Fulford, 53, is an international law and human rights expert. In 2003 he was among the first members of the judiciary to be sworn in to the War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague. from http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/gay-power-the-pink-list-406297.htmlHrcolyer (talk) 17:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

UK: Angela Eagle

What about Maureen Colquhoun? Or did she come out after leaving office?Hrcolyer (talk) 17:34, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

San Diego

Here's a question for those of you better at this sort of thing than I: Toni Atkins, who is openly lesbian, was acting mayor of San Diego following the resignation of the mayor and deputy mayor in 2005. She served from July of that year until the present mayor, Jerry Sanders, was sworn in in December. While recognizing the accomplishment of the mayor-elect of Houston, I think it's important to note that Toni was in fact the mayor of a large city (San Diego isn't as big as Houston, sure), and had done so over four years ago. If this is a list of firsts, shouldn't that be recognized as such? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.138.15 (talk) 06:34, 13 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to edit my own post here to note that I'm looking back at the history, and see that Toni was listed previously. Again, though, it seems to me that if this is a list of firsts, then Toni's name should remain, since it was earlier. But I defer to the gods of Wikipedia for their thoughts. Not that I have a vested interest in it, outside of being a San Diego County resident and very proud of our county seat!

Surgical status of trans persons - Joanne Conte

I just want to note here that I removed the information relating to the date that Joanne Conte obtained sex reassignment surgery. Surely that info is relevant and interesting on her personal page. However, this page is a list of LGBT people who attained political office - noting that she identifies as a trans woman should suffice (note also I replaced "transwoman" with "trans woman"). Trans persons may have surgery at different periods in their lives depending on a multitude of factors, including the ability to afford the surgery or having access to a quality surgeon. Some may choose not to have the surgery at all. For one to label each trans person here according to when or whether they had the surgery seems to me awkward and distracting. Why should one discuss the status of a politician's genitals on a page merely dedicated to the fact that they were elected? Obviously this is an entirely subjective opinion on which reasonable people could disagree, but if others agree then I would hope this could be the adopted standard for this page. Yavanna of Valinor (talk) 07:02, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First sentence

Why does this sentence not say that these are out LGBT people? There have been totally closeted people and they're not on the list, right?

Moonlet (talk) 21:51, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Which category?

The table lists Name, Years, Nation, Office, and Note. Wouldn't it be appropriate to list also the person's category in the LGBTQ+ spectrum? That is, whether they came out as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender? --Thnidu (talk) 14:30, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This could be done compactly by using just the initial: L, G, B, or T. --Thnidu (talk) 23:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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List of the first LGBT holders of political offices → List of the first openly LGBT holders of political offices – I know some people find 'openly gay' and the like to be deprecated, but I think this should distinguish between office-holders who are out, and those who aren't - the latter are not included in this article. (RM prompted by this removal). AFreshStart (talk) 17:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, this list only covers openly LGBT people and not those we now know to be gay, such as Frederick the Great or Jean-Jacques-Régis de Cambacérès, but was not publicly known at the time. (t · c) buidhe 18:13, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. "List of the first out LGBT holders of political offices" would also work.--Cúchullain t/c 20:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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"First gay prime minister"

The notes states that Bettel (of Luxembourg) was the "first gay prime minister", while Varadkar (of Ireland) was the "first openly gay prime minister". However Bettel also appears to be openly gay and, besides, being open before or during your term is a requirement to be included on the list. Why the difference in wording, then? Obviously only one should be noted as the first. Also, while it's not noted in this page, the article about Elio Di Rupo (of Belgium) claims that he was the "first openly gay man to be head of government in modern times", so that would be a further competing claim. Daydreamers (talk) 09:25, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is confusing, and I'll revise it, but I believe the intention was to communicate that they were each the first gay prime minister of their own countries rather than that they both have equal claim to firstness worldwide. Especially since, as you note, both of them were preceded to the worldwide first by Elio Di Rupo, who had no such notation next to his name at all, and "first lesbian prime minister" Ana Brnabić wasn't the first lesbian in the world either since Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir gets that prize — all three of those people were merely the first in their own countries rather than the first on earth, but that's adequately conveyed by the table itself (i.e. the fact that there aren't already other prime ministers of Luxembourg, Ireland or Serbia listed before them) without needing a "first LGBT prime minister of this country" note in the notes column. Bearcat (talk) 12:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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