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Lead
French (French: français [fʁɑ̃sɛ] or langue française [lɑ̃ɡ fʁɑ̃sɛːz]) is a Romance language of the Indo-European family.
Should be changed to:
French (endonym: français [fʁɑ̃sɛ] or langue française [lɑ̃ɡ fʁɑ̃sɛːz]) is a Romance language of the Indo-European family.
(If you can’t see the difference look at it in wiki text) 2A01:B340:82:8F97:99C9:2F9E:8DDE:B377 (talk) 16:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- Why should it be so? I am aware that you're mass editing every unlocked article of European languages, but wouldn't it be easier to leave things just as they are, or spell out the language, as in: French (French: français [fʁɑ̃sɛ]...)? –Austronesier (talk) 17:19, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- They reason I think it should is:
- in this version there are lang tags and IPA tags (current version doesn’t have them)
- I think it is better to use endonym label than duplicate the language’s name, it lets readers learn a new term if they don’t already and it makes it clearer that it is an endonym compared to pages that don’t use it, e.g. Spanish (espangol), etc., I think it’s fine to reduplicate the name though.
- The main focus of my suggestion was meant to be to use lang tags and IPA tags (which the lead currently does not do). You can see them if you look at original comment in wiki text. 2A01:B340:82:8F97:18FD:6DF6:D80E:B6A9 (talk) 17:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I see now that the lead already uses lang tags and IPA lags, my bad. 2A01:B340:82:8F97:18FD:6DF6:D80E:B6A9 (talk) 18:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- I am unsure about the placement of "endonym" everywhere. Here it would avoid repetition of French, but, for Instance, on Dutch Language it just had nederlands and no label, whereas now it does. I am not so opposed to it as to go mass reverting, but I am not sure what it gains. If a reader has to click off the page to look up a word, rather than answering their information need on this page we are showing off our vocabulary and slowing that reader down. It seems to be a case of the word drawing too much attention to itself. On the other hand, it is accurate. Not convinced it is better. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:26, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- I'd prefer no label at all, so "French (français"; "Dutch (nederlands", etc. Which was previously done at Dutch language. If a standard needs to be made, best raise with WP:LANGUAGES, unless already discussed or under another project. But I find linking "endonym" very out of place considering the language is used on all other references (which understandably doesn't work here as a self-link), plus technically it is a "endolinguonym". DankJae 22:24, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- I am unsure about the placement of "endonym" everywhere. Here it would avoid repetition of French, but, for Instance, on Dutch Language it just had nederlands and no label, whereas now it does. I am not so opposed to it as to go mass reverting, but I am not sure what it gains. If a reader has to click off the page to look up a word, rather than answering their information need on this page we are showing off our vocabulary and slowing that reader down. It seems to be a case of the word drawing too much attention to itself. On the other hand, it is accurate. Not convinced it is better. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:26, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I see now that the lead already uses lang tags and IPA lags, my bad. 2A01:B340:82:8F97:18FD:6DF6:D80E:B6A9 (talk) 18:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
- They reason I think it should is:
Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2024
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in the part where all the subnational that adopted french as their main language are listed, you missed Québec, it is a canadian province that made the Official language act of 1974, and therefore made french the official language, so just add Québec in the subnational section 😄 2605:B100:515:E63B:7DBE:46A1:53B9:F082 (talk) 16:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- But as it is an official language of Canada, it is not needed at subnational level. Not setting this to done/not done yet, to see what other editors think. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Mostly agree with Sirfurboy, adding Quebec would be redundant and opens the door to adding basically every subdivision of all French speaking countries. I am anticipating an objection about the fact that the overseas collectivities of France are also independently listed, but I think leaving them there is fine, given their special semi-autonomous status that distinguishes them from other subnational divisions. Liu1126 (talk) 19:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}}template. M.Bitton (talk) 19:22, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
