Talk:Fire and Ice (poem)

"no regular pattern"

Or could it be that the poem is simply shorter than the frequency of the pattern's repetition? </zen> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.76.32.145 (talk) 23:59, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oooooh ... —Wegesrand (talk) 12:25, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"while desire certainly has the power to end the world, his experiences have led him to believe that it is in the chill might of hate that the end times will be found."

so... err...

did the person who wrote the article even read the poem? : )

"From what I've tasted of desire I hold with those who favor fire" ?

83.131.107.227 04:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'd say that he's more expressing that, while he believes that desire will end the world, hate would work as well. Sir Elderberry 15:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

u ppl just dont know wat ur sayin! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.131.36 (talk) 03:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

poem shape

I removed this:

"Some scholars have pointed out that the poem's shape can appear like dangling icicles if viewed one way, and like the flames of fire if viewed the other."

This is true of 95% of poems, since they are generally left aligned with some lines longer than others. Feel free to put this back in if you can link to an article where an actual scholar really does point this out. It's been tagged as unsourced for two weeks. 96.233.71.33 12:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

variations

Does anyone have the original 1920 or 1923 works? Can anyone comment on common variations I've seen?:

* To (say/know) that for destruction ice is also (great/nice) and would suffice.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexgenaud (talk • contribs) 12:02, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

question

how can this be a 1923 pullitzer price winning piece when it was written in 1964? -72.192.95.28 05:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Where does it say this in the article? (or where has it said this) SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 00:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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bartleby.com has the original publication date as Dec 1920 in a harper's magazine, prior to the publication date currently listed for his book. i'm going to add the earlier date, too.--Drkslvr (talk) 14:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

wikisource

This article would be better if it had the templates for wikisource. I don't know how to do this. --76.165.248.106 (talk) 03:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion, it's been added ^,^ Ink Falls (talk) 22:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm wondering if there is a link available to the article by John N. Serio. (This is mentioned in the entry, but not linked.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.254.132 (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In Popular Culture

http://cowbirdsinlove.com/comics/fireandice.png ? --81.102.234.88 (talk) 02:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The poem is referenced in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Cleeves' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Black_(novel) on p 280 ff, as the title of a video project of the murdered schoolgirl Catherine Ross. Jgmichell (talk) 07:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)jgmichell[reply]

The poem is referenced in an episode of season 2 of AMC's Into the Badlands. I can't remember which episode specifically, but it's something to look into. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.70.136.36 (talk) 03:30, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Picture

Isn't the picture of the star exploding quite random?? The fire in the poem refers to desire and not physical fire such as... a star exploding. Maybe replace it (if there MUST be a picture) with something to do with war - representing fire and ice. That said, it is a cool picture. If you don't care the least about whether or not it relates to the poem then may as well keep it. NickPriceNZ (talk) 23:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well the poem poses the scientific question(Harlow Shapeley argues its what the poem is about) of how the world will end. The two ways are either the sun exploding and incinerating the Earth, or the Earth escaping just to slowly freeze in deep space. It's just another, more literal interpretation of the poem, even though it is primarily about human emotion destroying the world. Ink Falls 01:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the picture should be removed, not because the fire the refers to is a metaphorical one, but because it is in no way helpful to the article. A picture of a log fire or a burning building or an ice cube or a snowy mountain would all be equally if not better pictures to include.--71.236.29.119 (talk) 22:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Twilight Mention

The addition of Eclipse in further reading is misplaced. Reading Eclipse will give one no insight into the poem, and I'm removing it until someone can show how i does. 8:25, 14 January 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garlicpie (talk • contribs)

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in the audio, the narrator says,"if I had to perish twice" instead of "if it had to..." as in the poem.just a little narration error The wiki blues (talk) 13:23, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out. Unfortunately, there's not really any changes we can make to the article as the sound file itself is wrong. The article has the correct text from the poem. Will look into a way of requesting a correction of this. Living Concrete (talk) 07:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]