Talk:Edith Schaeffer

Mei-Fuh

It means "Beautiful Happiness", but I am not sure about which characters are used? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.38.4.80 (talk) 16:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

So Edith wrote a book in 1998 entitled Mei Fuh: Memories from China about a girl born in 1914 in China. It appears to be broadly autobiographical, but it is not clear to me that this was actually Edith's Chinese name. Does anything in the book or elsewhere actually say that it was? Without such confirmation, I have temporarily removed the information to avoid possible confusion. I am happy to restore it if we get a source. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 17:27, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the book--which is autobiographical, claims that her parents gave her that name when she was born. I know of no other sources.--Alfredie (talk) 18:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I have not seen the book. But on your testimony I have restored the information and cited the book. Thanks, --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 09:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Notability

1. That Edith co-founded L'Abri with her husband does not demonstrate notability independent of her husband.
2. Notability as a author requires reliable third party coverage (reviews and the like). See WP:AUTHOR.

Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 13:34, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Her being married does not diminish her role in co-founding L'Abri, and she is also a notable author, simply based on that lengthy list of books. -- 202.124.72.236 (talk) 13:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:complete bollocks (i) L'Abri never once mentions Edith independently of Francis -- if she's mentioned at all it is only as "Francis and Edith". (ii) A "lengthy list of books" simply doesn't establish notability. Again, see WP:AUTHOR -- read it. Don't make (empty) claims that she's notable as an author without demonstrating how she meets this criteria. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 13:49, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I suggest we continue this at Talk:Francis_Schaeffer#Merger_proposal. -- 202.124.72.236 (talk) 13:57, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Re: Edith Scheaffer's notability, see the following links - Wheaton College has a collection of papers from Edith and her husband, Francis: [1]; Edith is cited in the following (see highlighted, cached version) [2]; she was cited in the Encyclopedia of Evangelicalism (as found at Google Books) [3]; she was cited in the book Hippies of the Religious Right (as found at Google Books) [4]; was the recipient of the Evangelical Christian Publishers Association book award in 1979 and 1982 (and in case you're wondering if the ECPA is legitimate, those on its board of directors represent a who's-who of Christian publishing houses including Tyndale House and InterVarsity Press - see this link for verification [5]); she was an article contributor for Christianity Today [6], [7]. While I can't prove it via internet research, I'm certain Christianity Today has reviewed her books in the past. There's likely more evidence out there, but I think the above certainly puts in her in the "meets notability critera" category. Lhb1239 (talk) 19:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Synthesis

Joyce only discusses Edith's significance in terms of female proponents of Christian Patriarchy, not the movement as a whole (i.e. inclusive of males). And she only uses the word "landmark" -- which could mean a number of things besides "influential" -- e.g. it could have been a "landmark" as the first book on Christian Patriarchy written from a female perspective. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 15:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Influential on the females is still influential on the movement. And it's perfectly clear what "landmark" means in this context. -- 202.124.72.236 (talk) 15:45, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

It is exaggerating its significance, both in breadth and depth, from what the source itself actually states. and no, landmark generally doesn't mean "influential" so much as "a significant step" -- many landmarks have little actual influence in their time, and are only recognised by historians in hindsight. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 15:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

No, it isn't: the source clearly outlines an influence. And the phrase "landmark for" indicated a meaning of "influential." -- 202.124.72.236 (talk) 16:02, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

"One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." But for all its significance, it had little actual "influence" -- in that there has never been manned flight beyond near-Earth since Apollo. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 16:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Also I would point out that, by the very nature of Christian Patriarchy, what is significant to the female part of the movement is likely to have a severely muted impact on the movement as a whole. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 16:28, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Will be working on this over the next few days

I am going to start adding ISBNs for her books over the next few days.DMSBel (talk) 00:36, 6 September 2011 (UTC)