Talk:Delaware and Hudson Canal Museum

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Notable?

I don't want to prod this page if it's still being built (WP:DEMOLISH), but I do wonder why this tiny museum in a tiny town (population 627) is notable. It's been mentioned in one article, six years ago, and that was a travel article, not a review or something saying anything about the merits of the museum. RoyLeban (talk) 08:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If this is about my vote at the AfD for FlipScript than cool it. Wikistalking is highly uncivil and if you continue following my edits because I voted to delete your article than I'll take this up on a noticeboard. To answer your concerns, most established and verified museums contain notability in themselves as museums. Furthermore, per WP:N, notability is not temporary, and as you have seen the New York Times itself has discussed this museum. The New York Times is, after all, the New York Times, but that doesn't mean other sources aren't available. After all, this article is only a stub, how many references does it need? Themfromspace (talk) 10:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, geez. This is not wikistalking. If it was, I wouldn't use my real name! I wanted to know who the people were who were voting on the FlipScript page. In doing so, I discovered this page and I used it as an example on that page (I don't know if you revisited). If it were stalking, I would have just put it up for deletion or I would have done half a dozen things that crazy stalkers do. I really am wondering why it's notable and I try to fix things I notice even if they're not what I was really on Wikipedia for. I'm assuming you're a nice person and just misinformed about this topic [ambigrams, not the museum]. I know I'm a nice person :)
Also, take a look at List of Hofstra University academic units created by User:MBisanz, the admin who closed the discussion. I look at both of these pages and think they are completely non-notable. So what can I conclude from that other than that notability seems to be in the eye of the beholder? And somehow your eyes are better than mine? I happen to be an expert in the field of ambigrams, as you, no doubt, are an expert on that museum (and MBisanz presumably went to Hofstra). By asking these questions I'm hoping that maybe (a) the definition of notability can be improved -- I've always thought it was screwed up, but I haven't created many pages and this was the first one I've ever created that got deleted, and (b) this decision can be reversed sooner rather than later. So, let's split this into two issues:
Notability of this page
Being a museum alone is not notable. Take a look at List of museums in Kansas. Note that the vast majority of the museums do not have Wikipedia pages. Now look at List of museums in New York and see that, still, many museums do not have pages. Is this museum more notable than, say, the Watkins Community Museum of History which I've actually visited and is fairly large in a city of 90,000 people?
On proof of notability, I wasn't citing the age of the article in saying that notability is temporary. I'm saying that it's not frequently mentioned. We've got three refs (1991, 1997, 2002), none of which are reviews of the museum itself. They're all either about the town or are travel pieces. There are lots of things that might make them notable (e.g., they're the only museum that X or the only one that has a Y). They might even be notable because of the canal, but nobody has suggested that yet.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that this page be deleted. I'm suggesting that you either provide more information on why it's notable or you suggest it be deleted yourself. You know more about this than I do. I'd never even heard of it until I came across it (and that is NOT a reason to propose or vote for deletion, which is why I'm not doing so).
The FlipScript page
That page wasn't moved to my user space at my request. I think that pages should never be moved to user space. The purpose of Wikipedia is to share information. Pages in user space are hidden so they should not be used for encyclopedic information, even if some people think it's non-notable. Yet I wanted some place to store the information so it wouldn't be lost, even if just on my local hard disk (and I could no longer access it myself). I'm rightfully annoyed it was deleted. To quote somebody reasonable, After all, this article is only a stub, how many references does it need? (and my argument on notability is they're the first and only company to do X (create ambigrams progammatically).
RoyLeban (talk) 01:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
See also WP:INHERITED for this page and WP:IDONTKNOWIT for FlipScript. You can reply WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS (all three are in the same article), but that's not what I'm doing -- I'm seriously asking how notability can be judged by people who don't know the subject in question. RoyLeban (talk) 02:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with those who question the necessity of this article. Themfromspace, always quick to question other's articles, seems here to have embarassed himself. 4ubusybodies (talk) 02:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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