Talk:Asian Men's Volleyball Challenge Cup
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Change of Name
From 2023 edition, Challenge Cup has changed its name to AVC Challenger and served as qualification tournament to FIVB Volleyball Challenger Cup. Source: https://asianvolleyball.net/new/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/5-Competition-Regulations-of-4th-AVC-Men-Challenger-2023-in-TPE.pdf
I propose the change the name of this tournament to AVC Challenger to match up the changes made by AVC. Please share your thoughts. Ojvolleyball (talk) 10:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
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Asian Men's Volleyball Challenge Cup → AVC Men's Challenge Cup – Per WP:UCRN, the article's cited sources refer to the event tournament either as the AVC Men's Challenge Cup or the AVC Challenge Cup for Men, never as the Asian Men's Volleyball Challenge Cup. Also, per WP:CONCISE, inserting the word "Volleyball" is unnecessary as it produces a redundancy. Bagoto (talk) 02:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Volleyball is a lesser-known sport. A lot of people wouldn't know what AVC stands for. Even for world championships, we use FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship (its official name is FIVB Men's World Championship). I reckon we should comply WP:CONSISTENT and change the article title to AVC Volleyball Men's Challenge Cup instead. Vic Park (talk) 13:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Vic. But it's actually WP:CONSISTENT that would tell us to do away with mention of the sport in the title. See Challenge Cup (disambiguation), where we are led to articles like EHF European Cup, IIHF Asia and Oceania Championship, CEV Challenge Cup, and CEV Women's Challenge Cup. As for "FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship", that in itself might require a move to "FIVB Men's World Championship" per WP:UCRN and WP:CONCISE. Bagoto (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- No. We should keep WP:CONSISTENCY with other volleyball articles, not other Challenge Cup articles. These articles are irrelevant.
- And no, FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship has been that way for a long time now, we shall not change it. James Ker-Lindsay (talk) 02:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- "AVC Men's Challenge Cup" is supported by WP:UCRN (I don't see how "Asian Men's Volleyball Challenge Cup" can be given the same). It is also supported by WP:CONCISE and is precise enough for WP:PRECISE.
- Now, I don't know why WP:CONSISTENCY would require a title like "AVC Men's Challenge Cup", along with CEV Champions League, CEV Women's Champions League, CEV Cup, Women's CEV Cup, MEVZA League, and NEVZA Clubs Championship to insert the word "Volleyball" after their acronyms, simply for the reason that volleyball is one of the lesser-known sports. If WP:CONSISTENT is going to lay that down as a naming convention rule for all the "lesser-known sports", then we'd be opening a Pandora's box of requisite moves for quite a number of articles. And I doubt Wikipedia would allow to sacrifice its WP:UCRN, WP:CONCISE, and WP:PRECISE rules for such an unnecessary disambiguation call. Bagoto (talk) 08:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Vic. But it's actually WP:CONSISTENT that would tell us to do away with mention of the sport in the title. See Challenge Cup (disambiguation), where we are led to articles like EHF European Cup, IIHF Asia and Oceania Championship, CEV Challenge Cup, and CEV Women's Challenge Cup. As for "FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship", that in itself might require a move to "FIVB Men's World Championship" per WP:UCRN and WP:CONCISE. Bagoto (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)