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This HTTP 404? 99.181.141.251 (talk) 07:37, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Add current events from resource ...

From Portal:Current events/2011 August 30 ...

• Environmentalists, citing greenhouse gas emissions and risks of a oil spills, including climatologist James Hansen are arrested outside the White House in Washington D.C. in a protest to urge President Barack Obama to reject TransCanada Corp.'s $7 billion proposed Keystone Pipeline extension from the Athabasca Oil Sands in northern Alberta in Canada to the US Gulf Coast. (AP via Sydney Morning Herald)(Bloomberg) (The Nation) (The New York Times) (NPR) 99.119.128.119 (talk) 00:19, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Nothing in those sources to directly connect the protest to 350.org, so shouldn't be added. Ravensfire (talk) 00:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

CANVASS CALL - Proposed policy about overlinking in edit summaries

CANVASS CALL - Proposed policy about overlinking in edit summaries

FYI I have proposed a policy about links in edit summaries; Since this page is often the subject of improper overlinking in edit summaries by various IPs, I thought readers of this page would be an appropriate group to canvass, in case anyone has a pro or con opinion. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:17, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE: The proposal failed and voting is closed, though I'd be grateful for comments on my talk page. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:38, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Resource, other supports of 350 ppm

From Climate change mitigation scenarios ...

• This is the target level advocated in a recent paper by climate scientist James E. Hansen and others such as: Rajendra Pachauri, the U.N.'s "top climate scientist" and leader of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the Director of the University of Minnesota's Institute on the Environment, Jonathan Foley President of the Pacific Institute Peter H. Gleick, and the Policy Director of the Brookings Institution's Climate and Energy Economics Project Adele C. Morris. This maximum level is advocated by the 350.org campaign, along with other organizations such as the Tällberg Foundation. A strategy proposed is (1) no further oil and gas exploration (so that only already-known reserves will be consumed), (2) the elimination of all uncaptured burning of coal by 2030, and (3) an intensive program of reforestation and biochar agriculture.

• A mitigation scenario modeled by Malte Meinshausen et al. suggests that to stabilize CO₂ at 350 ppm, we will need to reduce emissions by slightly more than 5% per year.

• From an "energy technology and policy perspective", Joe Romm says a 350-ppm target will require eight wedges, each saving 1 gigaton of carbon per year, by 2030, and another ten by 2060.

• At the 2008 United Nations Climate Change Conference in Poznań, Poland, the Least Developed Countries bloc spoke in favor of a 350 ppm target.

• Nicholas Stern of the Stern Review on the Economics of Climate Change, called the "world’s top climate economist", endorses 350 ppm as “a very sensible long-term target.”

• Per "We can afford to save the planet" October 23, 2009 Eban Goodstein, Frank Ackerman, Kristen Sheeran (of the Economics for Equity and the Environment Network (E3)), and Lester R. Brown per "We Only Have Months, Not Years, To Save Civilization From Climate Change", November 2009, are supporters of the 350 upper limit.

• Per Will Steger Foundation Policy: "Stabilize CO2 in the atmosphere at 350 ppm".

• Barbara Kingsolver, Ed Begley, Bonnie Raitt Campaign to Cap Carbon Pollution at 350 PPM

• In her speech "The World's Tipping Point"[1], Bianca Jagger

states “the safe upper limit for atmospheric CO2 is no more than 350 ppm." and quotes the report "The Economics of 350: The Benefits and Costs of Climate Stabilization" by Stephen J. DeCanio, Eban Goodstein, Richard B. Howarth, Richard B. Norgaard and Catherine S. Norman, stressing " the need for immediate, direct intervention".

• Worldchanging's Alex Steffen 350 ppm also supports achieving the 350 ppm goal, such as in "Planetary Boundaries and the New Generation Gap"

• Scientific American August 2010 ocean acidification article Threatening Oceans from the Inside Out: How Acidification Affects Marine Life Blue Ocean Institute authors Marah J. Hardt and Carl Safina support 350 ppm as the maximum upper limit of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere for marine life health, see page 72 in print.

• Johan Rockström, in a 2009 report, states 350 ppm is one of the planetary boundaries for CO₂ in the atmosphere.

99.181.151.122 (talk) 19:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Increased clarity. 99.56.120.249 (talk) 04:54, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

resource

Capitalism vs. the Climate November 9, 2011 by Naomi Klein. This article appeared in the November 28, 2011 edition of The Nation. Excerpt below

And then there is the historic movement against the Keystone XL pipeline, which this fall has decisively yanked the climate movement out of the lobbyists’ offices and into the streets (and jail cells). Anti-Keystone campaigners have noted that anyone concerned about the corporate takeover of democracy need look no further than the corrupt process that led the State Department to conclude that a pipeline carrying dirty tar sands oil across some of the most sensitive land in the country would have “limited adverse environmental impacts.” As 350.org’s Phil Aroneanu put it, “If Wall Street is occupying President Obama’s State Department and the halls of Congress, it’s time for the people to Occupy Wall Street.”

141.218.36.43 (talk) 22:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Is there a Phil Aroneanu wp article? 99.181.134.134 (talk) 06:05, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

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Although the Haaretz article cited in footnote 21 refers to James Hansen as the author of the book Climate Code Red, that book was written by David Spratt (full title CLIMATE CODE RED: THE CASE FOR EMERGENCY ACTION, published by SCRIBE PUBLICATIONS, Melbourne, Australia in 2008). In his 2010 book "Eaarth--Making Life On a Tough New Planet" (spelled with two "a"s deliberately) McKibben describes (pp 206ff) the origins of the 350 movement and refers to "James Hansen's NASA report setting 350 parts per million carbon dioxide as the maximum atmospheric concentration compatible with maintaining the planet..." but does not cite Climate Code Red.Umbrete1066 (talk) 05:48, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Haaretz and Climate Code Red: The Case for Emergency Action ? 99.181.136.135 (talk) 15:53, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

List of messengers.

Is there any support for the presence of any particular messengers in this article? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:53, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

The anon asserts that there is support, because the list of 4 or 5 has been there for about a year; however, I believe there was a consensus that there should be no specific messengers listed unless an external reliable source considered it notable. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 07:00, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

So you didn't find a "historical precedent" of lack-of-consensus ... so you are attempting to make-up one now? 99.181.140.141 (talk) 08:48, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Possible error, re: authorship

"Later, the continued melting of the polar cap pushed him into starting 350.org, based on Hansen's 2007 book Climate Code Red."

I am pretty sure "Storms of My Grandchildren" is James Hansen's only book.

On Amazon, there is a book entitled: "Climate Code Red: The Case for Emergency Action" by David Spratt and Philip Sutton.

The linked interview (http://www.haaretz.com/350-and-counting-1.8057) does attribute the book to Hansen, but I think it is incorrect.

--Ilnyckyj (talk) 19:43, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Indeed. I find nothing to back up the claim in Haaretz and there has been no reply to this objection since July 2012. I have changed to what seems a safe statement. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 23:17, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

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