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So about Stokes's "poll"...

...which is extremely dubious. It comes from what he describes as "Cattleya Group", but the logo in the linked image with the poll can't be traced to any existing firm by the name "Cattleya Group" (which doesn't appear to exist). The reported margin of error is calculated with a 90% instead of a 95% confidence interval (which every other poll uses), and even the "margin of error" appears to be slightly off (CI would be roughly ± 5.2% – (1.645/2)/sqrt(251)). Almost certainly fake. Mélencron (talk) 20:31, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge of Marquita Bradshaw into 2020 United States Senate election in Tennessee

This article was not deleted at AfD, but the closing admin recommended a discussion to consider merging. Bradshaw is not a notable individual, deriving all sourcing from the election that she is running in. She does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NPOL. Any relevant content on her race can be merged there selectively while the edit history will remain undeleted. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. I agree that Bradshaw does not meet the qualifications for a standalone article, as running for office on its own is not generally a yardstick for notability, and practically all of her coverage comes from her campaign. Bneu2013 (talk) 02:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and I object to this ~~forum-shopping against~~ attempt to overturn a Sept. 4 AfD consensus result. Take a look at the closing statement by Ritchie333 at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Marquita_Bradshaw to see if one should translate it into "the closing admin recommended a discussion to consider merging":

The result was keep. A discussion on whether or not to merge or redirect can happen after this AfD.

The result was Keep not because the 8 Keep !votes were ignorant of NPOL (Muboshgu argued the same exact points raised here at that AfD) but because many agreed that being the first Black woman to win a statewide primary in TN was notable (and in this they agreed with NYT,^[1] Roll Call.^[2] and Associated Press, which ran 3 stories about her "astonishing upset victory."^[3]^[4]^[5] It was the first time in a decade an upstart Democrat trounced the DSCC primary pick, and the resulting SIGCOV of Marquita Bradshaw pushes her way past achieving GNG. I will add that her Republican opponent Bill Hagerty, who also has never been an officeholder, has a Wikipedia article that has never been proposed for AfD or Merger. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extended content

HouseOfChange, you are beyond WP:UNCIVIL and clearly off base in you accusing me of "forum shopping" The discussion, from a month ago, had several "redirect votes", and the closing admin suggested a merge discussion may be the way to go, in the statement that you quoted!. Do not accuse me of "forum shopping" instead of address the actual content. I think I may raise your behavior at the appropriate forum. You've been WP:HOUNDING me long enough. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu: you are an admin and I am not, so perhaps forum shopping has some technical meaning you know about and I do not. I meant that this question was recently decided by a consensus that rejected your arguments, and proposing a new discussion at a new venue seems to me inappropriate. IMO it is uncivil as well as mistaken to accuse me of Hounding you. We seem to have some overlapping interests in US politics, and I vaguely remember your username, but if our edit histories have overlapped it wasn't recently and it wasn't by my intention. HouseOfChange (talk) 04:07, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

HouseOfChange, you shouldn't throw around a term like WP:FORUMSHOP if you don't know what it means. And it is not "forum shopping" or anything wrong for me to open a discussion about merging and redirecting this page a month after the AfD closes. The admin closed the discussion as "keep", as in "don't delete", but also says "A discussion on whether or not to merge or redirect can happen after this AfD." So that's what I'm doing, starting "a discussion on whether or not to merge or redirect" I remember you being uncivil to me before on some other talk page, but I can't remember which one. Stop replying to me as I find you inappropriate. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merely commenting that WP:HOUND also has a technical definition which differs from having a vague memory that the person accused of it was once WP:UNCIVIL. And now let's carry on with discussing whether or not Marquita Bradshaw has received the WP:SIGCOV required for GNG. HouseOfChange (talk) 04:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems concerning that an Admin would react so strongly to someone disagreeing with them, even with the "Forum shopping." So a user used a term he didn't realize had a strong negative connotation- he said it was a misstep and crossed it out of his post. You still went on the offensive. You accuse him of being uncivil when you are the one being rude- you have a vague memory of him being rude? Really? That is your justification for being like this? As an admin? And an admin is telling someone to stop replying? Aren't you supposed to work with people? As the person starting this discussion shouldn't you be encouraging discussion? Can you not see that your behavior is suggesting you have some sort of personal stake in removing this page? If you don't- please reconsider your words and try to discuss things civilly rather than attacking those you don't agree with. Nightenbelle (talk) 17:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose. Any attempt at "merge" is just a deletion attempt in disguise. She's pretty notable herself. Kingofthedead (talk) 17:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Oppose As I said in the afd- Bradshaw is notable because of her achievement: "Being the first Black woman nominated for statewide office in Tennessee is a major milestone and inherently notable" Her win has received significant nation wide coverage. WP needs more biographies on significant women, especially women of color- this article should be kept separate and developed. Not hushed up and shoved into a corner of another article. Nightenbelle (talk) 17:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Plott, Elaina (August 7, 2020). "Marquita Bradshaw on Her Tennessee Primary Victory: 'I Could See the Momentum'". New York Times. Retrieved August 26, 2020. Ms. Bradshaw finished ahead of four opponents, including James Mackler, an Army veteran backed by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee who, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission, had raised more than $2 million. The most recent filings available showed that Ms. Bradshaw's campaign had raised only $8,400 by the end of March.
^ Cioffi, Chris (December 7, 2018). "What just happened in Tennessee's Democratic Senate primary?". RollCall. Retrieved August 28, 2020. Mackler's primary loss is the first for a DSCC-backed candidate since 2010, when Cal Cunningham lost a Democratic Senate primary in North Carolina...The DSCC's endorsed candidates have been overwhelmingly successful in their primaries so far this election cycle. Until Mackler's defeat, the party had a perfect primary streak
^ Mattise, Jonathan; Sainz, Adrian (August 6, 2020). "Hagerty vs. Bradshaw in race to succeed US Sen. Alexander". The Washington Post. Associated Press. Retrieved August 26, 2020. The race to succeed retiring U.S. Sen. Lamar Alexander in November will feature a matchup between a Republican candidate endorsed by President Donald Trump and a Black activist who pulled off an astonishing upset victory over the Democratic establishment's choice — with a campaign war chest of less than $10,000.
^ Sainz, Adrian; Mattise, Jonathan (August 7, 2020). "Bradshaw overcomes odds to win Tenn. Senate nomination". Associated Press. Retrieved August 26, 2020. The progressive's win over a field of Democrats, including establishment choice James Mackler, has drawn national attention in a Senate race where the focus had been on a contentious GOP primary. Bradshaw is the first Black woman nominated for statewide office by either major political party in Tennessee, according to the state Democratic Party.
^ Sainz, Adrian (August 8, 2020). "Bradshaw to visit every Tennessee county in Senate run". Associated Press. Retrieved August 26, 2020. The progressive's win over a field of Democrats, including establishment choice James Mackler, has drawn national attention in a Senate race where the focus had been on a contentious GOP primary featuring Hagerty and Nashville doctor Manny Sethi. Bradshaw is the first Black woman nominated for statewide office by either major political party in Tennessee.

Oppose AFD should stand as is.Djflem (talk) 21:01, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two photos

Why do we have a posed campaign photo for one candidate, and a candid shot of the other one wearing a mask? HouseOfChange (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Tennessee Star

For anyone who is not aware, consensus has determined The Tennessee Star to generally be an unreliable source, via multiple discussions at WP:RSN. Therefore, better sources should probably be used instead. Bneu2013 (talk) 01:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Marquita Bradshaw photo

Do we not have any better photo of Marquita Bradshaw?....At least one where she's not wearing a mask? With the mask and the glasses, her face is hardly visible at all! -2003:CA:871E:36DF:832:D7B4:A3C1:611D (talk) 14:58, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mysterious last column in general election table

What is the meaning of the two figures in the rightmost column of the table of results of the general election? The heading is a mysterious notation +/-%. Also, what is the source of these figures? They don't seem to come from the cited State of Tennessee General Election Results. Why have these figures been included? Ishboyfay (talk) 20:17, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[NYT_Plott-1] Plott, Elaina (August 7, 2020). "Marquita Bradshaw on Her Tennessee Primary Victory: 'I Could See the Momentum'". New York Times. Retrieved August 26, 2020. Ms. Bradshaw finished ahead of four opponents, including James Mackler, an Army veteran backed by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee who, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission, had raised more than $2 million. The most recent filings available showed that Ms. Bradshaw's campaign had raised only $8,400 by the end of March.

[RollCall-2] Cioffi, Chris (December 7, 2018). "What just happened in Tennessee's Democratic Senate primary?". RollCall. Retrieved August 28, 2020. Mackler's primary loss is the first for a DSCC-backed candidate since 2010, when Cal Cunningham lost a Democratic Senate primary in North Carolina...The DSCC's endorsed candidates have been overwhelmingly successful in their primaries so far this election cycle. Until Mackler's defeat, the party had a perfect primary streak

[AP_WaPo-3] Mattise, Jonathan; Sainz, Adrian (August 6, 2020). "Hagerty vs. Bradshaw in race to succeed US Sen. Alexander". The Washington Post. Associated Press. Retrieved August 26, 2020. The race to succeed retiring U.S. Sen. Lamar Alexander in November will feature a matchup between a Republican candidate endorsed by President Donald Trump and a Black activist who pulled off an astonishing upset victory over the Democratic establishment's choice — with a campaign war chest of less than $10,000.

[AP_ABC-4] Sainz, Adrian; Mattise, Jonathan (August 7, 2020). "Bradshaw overcomes odds to win Tenn. Senate nomination". Associated Press. Retrieved August 26, 2020. The progressive's win over a field of Democrats, including establishment choice James Mackler, has drawn national attention in a Senate race where the focus had been on a contentious GOP primary. Bradshaw is the first Black woman nominated for statewide office by either major political party in Tennessee, according to the state Democratic Party.

[AP_WaPoEvery-5] Sainz, Adrian (August 8, 2020). "Bradshaw to visit every Tennessee county in Senate run". Associated Press. Retrieved August 26, 2020. The progressive's win over a field of Democrats, including establishment choice James Mackler, has drawn national attention in a Senate race where the focus had been on a contentious GOP primary featuring Hagerty and Nashville doctor Manny Sethi. Bradshaw is the first Black woman nominated for statewide office by either major political party in Tennessee.

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