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RM, Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) → Russo-Ukrainian War, Moved, 16 June 2020, Discussion
RM, Russo-Ukrainian War → Russo-Ukrainian Conflict, Withdrawn, 14 July 2020, Discussion
RM, Russo-Ukrainian War → Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–2022), Not moved (SNOW), 3 March 2022, Discussion
RM, Russo-Ukrainian War → Russo-Ukrainian conflict, Procedural close, 4 March 2022, Discussion
RM, Russo-Ukrainian War → Russia-Ukraine War, Not moved (SNOW), 8 March 2022, Discussion
RM, Russo-Ukrainian War → Russian-Ukrainian War, Procedural close, 18 June 2022, Discussion
RM, Russo-Ukrainian War → Russian-Ukrainian conflict, Not moved (SNOW), 20 January 2023, Discussion
RM, Russo-Ukrainian War → War in Ukraine, Not moved (SNOW), 22 February 2023, Discussion
RM, Russo-Ukrainian War → Russo–Ukrainian War, Procedural close, 27 September 2023, Discussion

Older discussions:

RM, Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) → Russian military intervention in Ukraine, No consensus, 1 May 2018, Discussion
RM, Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) → Russo-Ukrainian war, Not moved. , 25 May 2016, Discussion
RM, 2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine → 2014 Russian military interventions in Ukraine, Not moved, 18 September 2014, Discussion
RM, → Russo-Ukrainian War, Not moved, 14 September 2014, Discussion
RM, 2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine → 2014 Russian military intervention in the Crimean Peninsula, No consensus, 14 April 2014, Discussion
RM, 2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine → 2014 Russian military intervention in Crimea, No consensus, 20 March 2014, Discussion

This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:

Stephen Harrison (1 March 2022). "How the Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is Playing Out on English, Ukrainian, and Russian Wikipedia". Slate. Retrieved 1 March 2022. Besides the Wikipedia article for the invasion itself, there is an entry on the larger Russo-Ukrainian War dating to 2014 and separate pages for its individual battles like the "Battle of Kharkiv" and the "Attack on Snake Island."
Lucas Ropek (18 October 2022). "Researchers Say 'Suspicious' Edits on Wikipedia Reek of Pro-Russian Propaganda". Gizmodo. Retrieved 20 October 2022. The new report analyzes the activities of 86 editors who had previously been banned due to various breaches of Wikipedia's code of ethics (editors can get kicked off Wikipedia if they behave badly). Among the many pages to which they'd contributed, the editors had a history of making edits to the Wiki entry for the Russo-Ukrainian War.

Section sizes

Section size for Russo-Ukrainian War (48 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	11,666	11,666
Background	131	36,531
Independent Ukraine and the Orange Revolution	15,136	15,136
Euromaidan, Revolution of Dignity, and pro-Russian unrest	6,453	6,453
Russian military bases in Crimea	4,189	4,189
Legality and declaration of war	10,622	10,622
History	14	149,232
Russian annexation of Crimea (2014)	14,123	14,123
War in the Donbas (2014–2015)	377	52,080
Pro-Russia unrest	9,080	9,080
Armed conflict	11,390	11,390
August 2014 Russian invasion	19,521	19,521
Mariupol offensive and first Minsk ceasefire	4,389	4,389
End of 2014 and Minsk II agreement	7,323	7,323
Line of conflict stabilizes (2015–2021)	16,771	24,687
2018 Kerch Strait incident	2,834	2,834
2019–2020	5,082	5,082
Russian military buildup around Ukraine (2021–2022)	4,327	36,156
Russian accusations and demands	14,465	14,465
Prelude to full invasion	17,364	17,364
Full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present)	22,172	22,172
Human rights violations	14,436	14,436
Related issues	22	51,400
Spillover	4,213	4,213
Gas disputes	11,214	11,214
Hybrid warfare	3,871	3,871
Russian propaganda and disinformation campaigns	22,579	22,579
Role of the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine	5,652	5,652
Russia–NATO relations	3,849	3,849
Reactions	176	41,613
Reactions to the Russian annexation of Crimea	142	12,355
Ukrainian response	3,162	3,162
NATO and United States military response	4,411	4,411
Financial markets	4,640	4,640
Reactions to the war in Donbas	97	8,681
Ukrainian public opinion	6,600	6,600
Russian public opinion	1,984	1,984
Reactions to the Russian invasion of Ukraine	108	20,401
Ukrainian public opinion	1,712	1,712
Russian public opinion	4,943	4,943
United States	4,767	4,767
Russian military suppliers	4,711	4,711
United Nations	4,160	4,160
See also	465	465
Notes	4,753	4,753
References	30	30
Further reading	579	579
External links	1,965	1,965
Total	312,670	312,670

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RFC on listing of Belarus as "supported by" since 2022

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

There is no consensus for option B. Because that option failed to meet the burden placed upon it by the RfC on "supported by" fields in infoboxes, option A (the status quo) prevails. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 02:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should Belarus be listed in the infobox (and accordingly described in other parts of this article) concerning the events since 24 February 2022: A) no (as at present); B) as "Supported since 2022 by: Belarus" (in Russia's side).

Please enter your answer to the question in the Survey section with a brief statement. Please do not respond to the statements of other editors in the Survey section. Back-and-forth discussion is permitted in the Discussion section (that's what it's for).

Note to closer and other participants: this RFC was started because the previous similar RFC (started on 16 March 2024) was closed on 17 May 2024 without a clear consensus regarding options A and B, but the uninvolved closer Compassionate727 stated that "Finally, there seems to be a consensus that if added, Belarus should be added with a note that its support began in 2022, although there is no reason that shouldn't be confirmed in the next RfC, which I assume will be forthcoming shortly". -- Pofka (talk) 20:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

B. The role of Belarus in this war should be described as "supported since 2022 by: Belarus" (in Russia's side) because during the highly intensified phase of this war since 24 February 2022 the Russian Army's forces were allowed to: 1) invade Ukraine from the Belarusian territory through ground (1, 2); 2) Belarus allowed Russia full access to its military airbases for Russian military aircraft to launch aircraft and its army installations to shoot artillery and missiles from Belarusian territory towards Ukraine and Russian jets have taken off from Belarus to subsequently enter Ukraine from Belarusian airspace (3, 4, 5); 3) see more information in a dedicated article Belarusian involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Consequently, although no evidence was collected that the Armed Forces of Belarus themselves invaded Ukraine, the role of Belarus is clearly not equal to other military suppliers (e.g. United States/Germany to Ukraine; Iran/North Korea to Russia) because they have never allowed to use their territories for direct military actions against Ukraine/Russia (and their armies), while Belarus allowed to do that. Moreover, in June 2023 Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko claimed that "the only mistake we made’ was not finishing off Ukraine with Russia in 2014" (see: full article), so Lukashenko's Belarus clearly tractate the current Ukraine as an enemy and by exceptionally supporting Russia since 2022 sought for Ukraine's military defeat in this war. -- Pofka (talk) 20:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A. See previous RFC. Ivan (talk) 21:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A. (Summoned by feedback request service). Infoboxes are for basic factual uncontroversial information that can be consumed at-a-glance. They are not suitable for contested statements or statements where some nuance is required. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 21:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A per my comment at previous RfC. Cinderella157 (talk) 22:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
B per my comment at previous RfC. My very best wishes (talk) 23:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A for the same reason we should not list the United States on Ukraine's side. We should only list groups that have soldiers fighting in the war, which Belarus does not and has said that they will not. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
B the US's role in the war is similar to that of Iran; the better comparison for Belarus would be Poland, assuming that Poland starts shooting down missiles as it said it was considering. Arms suppliers should indeed be left off but those countries/territories that have used or provided their territory in combat engagements in Ukraine should be included in the infobox as belligerents (this is after all the definition of being a belligerent). Dan the Animator 03:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
B Per Pofka, while role is not equal to Germany, NK, Iran... Belarus has nonetheless provided support and Lukashenko wants Ukraine defeated. O.maximov (talk) 12:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Pinging all the participants of the previous similar RFC who had voted in the Survey section (@Slatersteven:, @My very best wishes:, @Ortizesp:, @Gödel2200:, @Иованъ:, @Manyareasexpert:, @CVDX:, @RadioactiveBoulevardier:, @Cinderella157:, @Mellk:) because I think they should be informed about this RFC and are welcome to express their opinion regarding this question once again. -- Pofka (talk) 20:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: May be a good idea to include supporters rather than suppliers in the infobox. Then the role of Belarus should be included as a supporter of Russia and US as a supporter of Ukraine. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 17:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I dislike an RFC on a subject we had one recently about. Slatersteven (talk) 11:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should France be added as a belligerent or as at least supporting Ukraine ?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-commander-french-military-instructors-visit-ukrainian-training-centres-2024-05-27/

Clearly sending french soldiers into Ukraine to train Ukrainian units would make them active participants and targets for the russian military.

https:theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/04/british-soldiers-on-ground-ukraine-german-military-leak

It is also surprising that the British haven't been already added to the belligerents section given the leaked German military phone call that detailed British troops are on the ground helping with missile targeting. 188.247.64.30 (talk) 20:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When sources say France is at war with Russia, then we can add them. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contentious topic warning?

Can someone please advise me re: WP:Contentious topics#Awareness of contentious topics. There's a warning template there, but it requires a magic code and I can't see one listed for the scope of this page. Thanks Andy Dingley (talk) 10:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It falls under Eastern Europe. WP:GSRUSUKR are specific sanctions for this war but don't have a specific CT aware. The link to the GS might also be added to the DS alert. Cinderella157 (talk) 10:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so just e-e is good, thanks. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed presence of italian volounteers fighting for Russia

Many founts have confirmed the presence of italian volounteers fighting for the russian army and some of them have even been interwieved.So should we add in the list of belligerants even volounteers from other countries like franco-american for Ukraine and italo-sirians-lybyans for Russia? 2.47.239.31 (talk) 10:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, as that would not be national support, rather they are mercenaries. Slatersteven (talk) 11:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]