File talk:Hemorrhoid.png

License

What is "Please do not upload this image to any other wiki's [sic] without first seeking consent." supposed to mean, exactly? If the image is licensed under the GNU FDL, then no permission to copy it anywhere or use it is necessary, as long as the terms of the license are complied with.

I'm not sure if this is just intended as a "if you copy it, it would be nice if you gave me a holler" instead of a binding requirement, but the way it's written, it sure seems to contradict the licensing of the image under the GNU FDL, and I'm not sure which the author intended to take precedence. Is the image actually FDL'ed, or is permission to copy it elsewhere required? -- Schneelocke 12:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Schneelocke. There are several reasons for this, firstly the GNU FLA gives artists the right to have images they created cited back to them. My asking people not to upload the page to other wiki's without contacting me is between a binding agreement and a polite request. I can't stipulate under the GNU FLA that people MUST contact me but its important to me that the citation remain whatever wiki it is located on. Its something people uploading to other wiki's frequently forget and so thats why I ask that I be contacted rather than just explain this as people don't see it or ignore it. Why is it so important? Because many of my diagrams have been used in work which I have submitted for my university degree or earlier college courses. Having them on wikipedia obviously means the university may worry that I have actually stolen someone elses work from the internet and masqueraded it as my own. I dont mean to 'blow my own trumpet' but the quality of my work and its presence on the internet has obviously raised concerns with them in the past, and so when I upload work it is vital its properly cited so to avoid any confussion over who has made it. To this extent, having links back to me here is incredibly important as I'm sure you can see. Its also why I say where I'm from and what I'm doing on my talk page, its all to cover my backside.

There is of course another aspect to it all, and this is that I have versions of these images without any text on them which will be more appropriate to other language wikipedias. So if people contact me first I can often offer them supreior diagrams. I hope this explains my position on this more clearly. I am hoping soon to petition to change policy to make referencing diagrams to their creators a little tighter as many people are in my position, where they don't want exposure for their work but they do need it to be 100% cited correctly. WikipedianProlific^(Talk) 19:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

"My asking people not to upload the page to other wiki's without contacting me is between a binding agreement and a polite request. - this makes it a non-free image doesn't it? Secretlondon 10:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

No, it is still a free image else it wouldn't be here. But free or not people must still cite my work if they use it somewhere else, even somewhere else on wilkipedia. This is covered under the GNU FLA. I would like to stress that the conditions applying to text are not the same for images. WikipedianProlific^(Talk) 18:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Please explain "GNU FLA", the licensing on the image page states "I, the creator of this work, hereby grant the permission to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. Subject to disclaimers." so you exclude need Invariant sections, which according to GNU FDL#Secondary sections means you do not seek "certain "invariant sections" specified by the original author and dealing with his or her relationship to the subject matter may not be changed", i.e. there are no fixed details accompanying the image that need be preserved as others make use of your image. I appreciate your concern that making use of your own image not be wrongly viewed as plagerism, but the images' history (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Hemorrhoid.png&action=history) will confirm this for you. IMHO the stated restriction and possibly the signing of the image itself are incompatable with GNU FDL. (PS it is a very good clear diagram) David Ruben ^Talk 00:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

There are no terms on the image so its not in contravention to the GNU FLA. Its just a polite request and a reminder that work must be cited. WikipedianProlific^(Talk) 22:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Disagree, it has your user name on it. Please read the official policy Wikipedia:Image use policy#User-created images, which states: "Also, user-created images should not be watermarked, distorted, have any credits in the image itself or anything else that would hamper their free use". Your image currently has your user name included within it, and this clearly is not permitted by policy. David Ruben ^Talk 02:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the watermark. Cburnett (talk) 02:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. David Ruben ^Talk 21:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)